tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post2262873180795600864..comments2023-10-31T03:23:29.373-04:00Comments on Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: When DEA Plays Doctor, the Patients Are Always the LoserDavid Bratzerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16356249815391506872noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-29811604045970743532010-09-01T17:20:15.057-04:002010-09-01T17:20:15.057-04:00This line (see link above), "Take their settl...This line (see link above), "Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves” makes me think of "it's the principle of the matter." I even recall hearing a very prominent man use that word, "principle." I guess the question is are your principles causing more pain and injustice or reducing pain and injustice. It's clear to me that those who fight the Drug War on principle are hacking away at the very roots of their being; ironically they can't feel it because they've numbed themselves with the pleasures of this world: power over others and self-righteous feedback loops (see quotes above from some of the "yes men"), money, fast cars, etc… <br /><br />I just hope that the people who are being bullied to go along with this Drug War madness realize, and soon, how they've been taken for a ride. I'm thinking (too) of the court that recently ruled in favor of warrant-less GPS tracking. I have no doubt that the Drug War (and War on Terror) fear mongers are back-room scaring (or bullying) leaders and people with authority, to go along with the anti-Constitutional madness; accusing them (the irony) of being part of the downfall of society. Ironic because it seems to me ALL (or nearly all) the worst periods (or societies) in history were when vicious madmen (and madwomen) did their best to "prevent a downfall" of society and subjected everyone to various "purity" and loyalty tests.ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-26114796351566315212010-09-01T17:16:11.532-04:002010-09-01T17:16:11.532-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>: (Hm, Google keeps censoring my post :-(, use that link to read the list.)ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-22578690290449583792010-09-01T16:19:32.249-04:002010-09-01T16:19:32.249-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>:<br />“Go along, to get along”<br />"Don't fight the system it will change in time"<br />"Blacks employees must work hard and prove themselves as managers"<br /> "Just turn your head when you see injustice against citizens, you can't police everything"<br />“It’s a good-old-boy network and they don't want minorities in the network”<br />"You have a great career, please don't destroy it on a crusade against bad cops”<br />"If you testify against the Marshals Service on Capitol Hill, management will destroy your career for sure"<br />"The US Justice Department is too big with too many resources, you can’t win "<br />"400 years of oppression is not going to change overnight with your complaints"<br />"Being called a ‘C--n or Ni--er’ by white employees is not all that bad"<br />"Just continue to arrest those who we direct you to arrest even if they are all black"<br />"I love you brother but if you go forward with your EEO Complaints then I can't be associated with you”<br />"I have a family I must feed and these people will destroy you with there mighty power"<br />"Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves”<br />"The Marshal Service will set you up and get you arrested or killed in the line of duty"<br />"Please take the settlement money and run, they don’t need to admit to discrimination and just let your GOD handle the rest"ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-72665599576851793792010-09-01T16:10:23.530-04:002010-09-01T16:10:23.530-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>:<br />“Go along, to get along”<br />"Don't fight the system it will change in time"<br />"Blacks employees must work hard and prove themselves as managers"<br /> "Just turn your head when you see injustice against citizens, you can't police everything"<br />“It’s a good-old-boy network and they don't want minorities in the network”<br />"You have a great career, please don't destroy it on a crusade against bad cops”<br />"If you testify against the Marshals Service on Capitol Hill, management will destroy your career for sure"<br />"The US Justice Department is too big with too many resources, you can’t win "<br />"400 years of oppression is not going to change overnight with your complaints"<br />"Being called a ‘Coon or Ni--er’ by white employees is not all that bad"<br />"Just continue to arrest those who we direct you to arrest even if they are all black"<br />"I love you brother but if you go forward with your EEO Complaints then I can't be associated with you”<br />"I have a family I must feed and these people will destroy you with there mighty power"<br />"Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves”<br />"The Marshal Service will set you up and get you arrested or killed in the line of duty"<br />"Please take the settlement money and run, they don’t need to admit to discrimination and just let your GOD handle the rest"ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-41250680962456795862010-09-01T16:03:04.712-04:002010-09-01T16:03:04.712-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>:<br />“Go along, to get along”<br />"Don't fight the system it will change in time"<br />"Blacks employees must work hard and prove themselves as managers"<br /> "Just turn your head when you see injustice against citizens, you can't police everything"<br />“It’s a good-old-boy network and they don't want minorities in the network”<br />"You have a great career, please don't destroy it on a crusade against bad cops”<br />"If you testify against the Marshals Service on Capitol Hill, management will destroy your career for sure"<br />"The US Justice Department is too big with too many resources, you can’t win "<br />"400 years of oppression is not going to change overnight with your complaints"<br />"Being called a ‘Coon or Nigger’ by white employees is not all that bad"<br />"Just continue to arrest those who we direct you to arrest even if they are all black"<br />"I love you brother but if you go forward with your EEO Complaints then I can't be associated with you”<br />"I have a family I must feed and these people will destroy you with there mighty power"<br />"Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves”<br />"The Marshal Service will set you up and get you arrested or killed in the line of duty"<br />"Please take the settlement money and run, they don’t need to admit to discrimination and just let your GOD handle the rest"ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-42136987219621553222010-09-01T15:43:42.572-04:002010-09-01T15:43:42.572-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>:<br />“Go along, to get along”<br />"Don't fight the system it will change in time"<br />"Blacks employees must work hard and prove themselves as managers"<br /> "Just turn your head when you see injustice against citizens, you can't police everything"<br />“It’s a good-old-boy network and they don't want minorities in the network”<br />"You have a great career, please don't destroy it on a crusade against bad cops”<br />"If you testify against the Marshals Service on Capitol Hill, management will destroy your career for sure"<br />"The US Justice Department is too big with too many resources, you can’t win "<br />"400 years of oppression is not going to change overnight with your complaints"<br />"Being called a ‘Coon or Nigger’ by white employees is not all that bad"<br />"Just continue to arrest those who we direct you to arrest even if they are all black"<br />"I love you brother but if you go forward with your EEO Complaints then I can't be associated with you”<br />"I have a family I must feed and these people will destroy you with there mighty power"<br />"Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves”<br />"The Marshal Service will set you up and get you arrested or killed in the line of duty"<br />"Please take the settlement money and run, they don’t need to admit to discrimination and just let your GOD handle the rest"ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-82148689688063865132010-09-01T15:42:03.178-04:002010-09-01T15:42:03.178-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-2985607197452586372010-09-01T15:41:17.603-04:002010-09-01T15:41:17.603-04:00Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but ...Jay, as I read your piece I couldn't help but think of the "walk it off" types. My sense is some people are:<br />• so galled by the thought of people lying to their doctors<br />• so far removed from people in chronic pain<br />• so far removed from having experienced intense pain themselves<br /><br />that they would rather err on the side of people suffering than let a few fakers have pills to get their jollies or illegally sell. Ironically as they try (in vain) to make the world a perfect place, they make it insufferable.<br /><br />You point out many sad ironies, particularly how it seems non-doctors (DEA) has bullied doctors to go against their oaths. But perhaps this is just the logical outcome since it seems the DEA and many in govt. take oaths to defend our Constitution, but actively and violently trash it.<br /><br />With regard to your last paragraph, if humans can't bring them to justice, God does. We have a law, conservation of mass/energy; there is a similar law in the spirit world.<br /><br />Those bullied doctors need to rally together with the courage of Mattew Fogg, to challenge and throw off their oppressors; it's a whole lot easier when they do it together (think Vienna Declaration) vs. being picked off one-by-one, and left hanging to dry like mlang52. Here are <a href="http://www.bwbadge.com/poem.html" title="From CARCLE, Marshal Fogg's website" rel="nofollow">some quotes from the conned</a>:<br />“Go along, to get along”<br />"Don't fight the system it will change in time"<br />"Blacks employees must work hard and prove themselves as managers"<br /> "Just turn your head when you see injustice against citizens, you can't police everything"<br />“It’s a good-old-boy network and they don't want minorities in the network”<br />"You have a great career, please don't destroy it on a crusade against bad cops”<br />"If you testify against the Marshals Service on Capitol Hill, management will destroy your career for sure"<br />"The US Justice Department is too big with too many resources, you can’t win "<br />"400 years of oppression is not going to change overnight with your complaints"<br />"Being called a ‘Coon or Nigger’ by white employees is not all that bad"<br />"Just continue to arrest those who we direct you to arrest even if they are all black"<br />"I love you brother but if you go forward with your EEO Complaints then I can't be associated with you”<br />"I have a family I must feed and these people will destroy you with there mighty power"<br />"Take their settlement offer and take care of yourself because the black Marshals that you are standing up for are afraid and care about only themselves”<br />"The Marshal Service will set you up and get you arrested or killed in the line of duty"<br />"Please take the settlement money and run, they don’t need to admit to discrimination and just let your GOD handle the rest"ChristMotForbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17470401758267964354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3194774682855710383.post-42655010866970775492010-09-01T09:51:45.991-04:002010-09-01T09:51:45.991-04:00It is more likely related to politics and the atti...It is more likely related to politics and the attitude of "We don't do that way here!" Practice the medical care suggested by Dr Portenoy and others in the field of chronic pain management field, anywhere, and you will find yourself unemployed. Not because you are not practicing modern medicine, as established by, specific, published, research, but because "you don't do it our way!" Believe me, I would like to have my job back!mlang52https://www.blogger.com/profile/09374016762118106601noreply@blogger.com